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	<title>Comments on: Iran</title>
	<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896</link>
	<description>Every day the Prime Minister's Spokesman meets a small coterie of political journalists known as 'the lobby' for a topical chat, or 'briefing'.</description>
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		<title>By: Chuck Unsworth</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3722</link>
		<author>Chuck Unsworth</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3722</guid>
		<description>We all tend to assume that a nuclear war would engulf the whole planet.  Almost certainly at the height of the Cold War this would have been true, but I wonder if things may have changed over the last decade.

The proliferation of the technology and actual availability of completed systems has led to several smaller states (Israel, Pakistan, India, North Korea and now Iran etc etc) having such weaponry.  

The question therefore is: Do these states view usage of such lethality in the same way as the original 'big powers'?  If we assume that is unlikely, then the probability of 'limited' nuclear war increases.

Further, my guess is that Mutually Assured Destruction is less of a consideration for those who aspire to 'martyrdom', than it might be for those in the West.  It's also less likely that the major powers would step into a 'local' nuclear war - recognising the potential for further escalation.

On that basis, if (for example) the Israelis decided to nuke Tehran or Baghdad there would be widespread condemnation but little escalation.  And the world would have had a graphic demonstration of a) what such a bomb does and b) how utterly impotent the UN actually is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all tend to assume that a nuclear war would engulf the whole planet.  Almost certainly at the height of the Cold War this would have been true, but I wonder if things may have changed over the last decade.</p>
<p>The proliferation of the technology and actual availability of completed systems has led to several smaller states (Israel, Pakistan, India, North Korea and now Iran etc etc) having such weaponry.  </p>
<p>The question therefore is: Do these states view usage of such lethality in the same way as the original &#8216;big powers&#8217;?  If we assume that is unlikely, then the probability of &#8216;limited&#8217; nuclear war increases.</p>
<p>Further, my guess is that Mutually Assured Destruction is less of a consideration for those who aspire to &#8216;martyrdom&#8217;, than it might be for those in the West.  It&#8217;s also less likely that the major powers would step into a &#8216;local&#8217; nuclear war - recognising the potential for further escalation.</p>
<p>On that basis, if (for example) the Israelis decided to nuke Tehran or Baghdad there would be widespread condemnation but little escalation.  And the world would have had a graphic demonstration of a) what such a bomb does and b) how utterly impotent the UN actually is.</p>
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		<title>By: PapaLazzzaru</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3720</link>
		<author>PapaLazzzaru</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3720</guid>
		<description>That's assuming there'd be ANY survivors...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s assuming there&#8217;d be ANY survivors&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Huffadine</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3719</link>
		<author>Roger Huffadine</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3719</guid>
		<description>When the nukes go off you need to be a long way from China.

I suspect that the 5:1 rule still applies - that is, for every 1 nuke that we target at our enemy we send 5 to China. This is because the analysts worked out early in the Cold War that the only winner in a nuclear conflict is China - their huge population would have many more survivors than the main protagonists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the nukes go off you need to be a long way from China.</p>
<p>I suspect that the 5:1 rule still applies - that is, for every 1 nuke that we target at our enemy we send 5 to China. This is because the analysts worked out early in the Cold War that the only winner in a nuclear conflict is China - their huge population would have many more survivors than the main protagonists.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr B</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3714</link>
		<author>Mr B</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3714</guid>
		<description>Blair see's himself, along with Bush as a modern day missionary.  Although this time it's not just Christianity they are preaching about but their own form of Democracy.  They need to shut up and live with the fact that we're not all the same.  When people want change they'll change - in their own time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blair see&#8217;s himself, along with Bush as a modern day missionary.  Although this time it&#8217;s not just Christianity they are preaching about but their own form of Democracy.  They need to shut up and live with the fact that we&#8217;re not all the same.  When people want change they&#8217;ll change - in their own time!</p>
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		<title>By: PapaLazzzaru</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3703</link>
		<author>PapaLazzzaru</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3703</guid>
		<description>Indeed; consider also that the historical enmity between Russia and China has been put to one side for the moment, again because of the actions of the USA in Central Asia. If sucessful at nothing else, Dubya has been a revelation at getting historical enemies to gang up against him! While the alliance between Russia and China is unlikely to be a long-lasting one, their combined muscle should be more than enough to deter any kind of land offensive against Iran by the USA; I say &#34;should&#34; because I'd put nothing past the Smirking Chimp, including starting a war he can't finish (or has no intention of finishing).

Couldn't you just SMELL the glee in the air though when Mr. Ahmadinejad opened his mouth?! 

&#34;YES!!! The perfect excuse!!! We could almost drop the lies about their nuclear plans...&#34;

Tony got so excited he had to change his pants, the poor love...

Something else to consider though. Whilst we know this insanity will continue as long as we have a (frankly laughable) &#34;War President&#34; incumbent in the White House, I think we tend to overlook the fact that the Russians are consummate geopolitical operators too. I wouldn't discount the possibility that Mr. Ahmadinejad's remarks were deliberate; calculated to gauge response, perhaps, now that International eyes are concentrating a little more closely on Syria.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed; consider also that the historical enmity between Russia and China has been put to one side for the moment, again because of the actions of the USA in Central Asia. If sucessful at nothing else, Dubya has been a revelation at getting historical enemies to gang up against him! While the alliance between Russia and China is unlikely to be a long-lasting one, their combined muscle should be more than enough to deter any kind of land offensive against Iran by the USA; I say &quot;should&quot; because I&#8217;d put nothing past the Smirking Chimp, including starting a war he can&#8217;t finish (or has no intention of finishing).</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t you just SMELL the glee in the air though when Mr. Ahmadinejad opened his mouth?! </p>
<p>&quot;YES!!! The perfect excuse!!! We could almost drop the lies about their nuclear plans&#8230;&quot;</p>
<p>Tony got so excited he had to change his pants, the poor love&#8230;</p>
<p>Something else to consider though. Whilst we know this insanity will continue as long as we have a (frankly laughable) &quot;War President&quot; incumbent in the White House, I think we tend to overlook the fact that the Russians are consummate geopolitical operators too. I wouldn&#8217;t discount the possibility that Mr. Ahmadinejad&#8217;s remarks were deliberate; calculated to gauge response, perhaps, now that International eyes are concentrating a little more closely on Syria.</p>
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		<title>By: Colonel Mad</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3702</link>
		<author>Colonel Mad</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3702</guid>
		<description>Surely American posturing prior to the Iranian Presidential election delivered the presidency to Mr Ahmadinejad, therefore the Americans, as usual, have only themselves to blame for the current situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely American posturing prior to the Iranian Presidential election delivered the presidency to Mr Ahmadinejad, therefore the Americans, as usual, have only themselves to blame for the current situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Pooter</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3700</link>
		<author>Mr Pooter</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3700</guid>
		<description>WHOOPS - Papa - Indeed, the world is short of many things but (delete:is) not intolerance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHOOPS - Papa - Indeed, the world is short of many things but (delete:is) not intolerance.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Pooter</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3699</link>
		<author>Mr Pooter</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3699</guid>
		<description>Papa - Indeed, the world is short of many things but is not intolerance.  

I was making 2 points: that Blair seems hell bent on getting the Yanks into a confrontation - remember Serbia and the way he leaned on Cliton? - and secondly, that the nuclear balance of disaster - MAD - and the generally understood strategies which flow from nuclear weapons, do not apply in the Insanian case.  This latter point being the more interesting to me.  A while back it was, for instance, reported that the Yanks had supplied the Israelis with 500 bunker buster bombs... It seems that Bush, Blair and Sharon would each like to do the busines (mass killing of non-believer, believers to end the medievalist theocracy) but each one wants to goad the other into starting it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Papa - Indeed, the world is short of many things but is not intolerance.  </p>
<p>I was making 2 points: that Blair seems hell bent on getting the Yanks into a confrontation - remember Serbia and the way he leaned on Cliton? - and secondly, that the nuclear balance of disaster - MAD - and the generally understood strategies which flow from nuclear weapons, do not apply in the Insanian case.  This latter point being the more interesting to me.  A while back it was, for instance, reported that the Yanks had supplied the Israelis with 500 bunker buster bombs&#8230; It seems that Bush, Blair and Sharon would each like to do the busines (mass killing of non-believer, believers to end the medievalist theocracy) but each one wants to goad the other into starting it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Pooter</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3690</link>
		<author>Mr Pooter</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3690</guid>
		<description>apologies for spellings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>apologies for spellings!</p>
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		<title>By: PapaLazzzaru</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3688</link>
		<author>PapaLazzzaru</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/10/28/1896#comment-3688</guid>
		<description>All I have to say is...

http://monabaker.com/quotes.htm

:o&#62;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I have to say is&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://monabaker.com/quotes.htm" rel="nofollow">http://monabaker.com/quotes.htm</a></p>
<p>:o&gt;</p>
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