Comments on: Law and order

By: Michael McCarthy

Michael McCarthy — Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:05:20 +0000

Crime is lowest in egalitarian societies. Under Blair, the gulf between richest and poorest has widened, and Blair has declared that he is "relaxed" about this retreat from egalitarianism. In other words, Blair is pursuing policies which are most likely to increase crime, not to diminish it. Why do we need to emulate the US, one of the most inegalitarian and consequently violent and crime-ridden societies on earth, rather than for example Sweden?

By: roger

roger — Tue, 06 Sep 2005 16:28:55 +0000

….the PM to lie?
How about Gordie and the rest of the boys. How many have resigned for doing just that?
And how about Gordie, so fond of boasting at each budget how he has "control" of spending, will be hard put to get even the Treasury guys to work a miracle on our growth rate % this time.

By: Roger Huffadine

Roger Huffadine — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:45:07 +0000

Lets look at the equation - partly the thoughts of someone I spoke to recently.

Government enacts loads of new Laws
Government withdraw most of Legal Aid
Judiciary do their job
Prisons get overloaded
Government can’t understand why the prisons are full
PM tells us crime is decreasing

Silly question but how can crime decrease if you enact new laws?
either the laws are futile or you convict more people

If crime is decreasing why do we need new laws?

When will it be a crime for the PM to Lie?

By: JK5

JK5 — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:42:01 +0000

"Those who talk about the peoples of our day being given up to robbery and similar vices will find that they are all due to the fact that those who ruled them behaved in like manner."
– Niccolo Machiavelli, The Discourses, III (29)

By: roger

roger — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:34:23 +0000

The PMOS and Tony Babes must be the ONLY two people in the Country who even SAY they believe crime is going down - oh and maybe Clarke too, as he HAS to stay onside.
To change crime statistics now requires a change of heart in the home, school and judiciary - and that isn’t going to happen yet awhile so crime will keep going up - and especially violent crime including gun related crime.
Labour has had it wrong from the start in this area and it keeps getting worse - when will they admit what is actually going on as opposed to what they hope MIGHT be happening?

By: Chuck Unsworth

Chuck Unsworth — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:28:40 +0000

Sorry, just an afterthought.

No doubt the public is well aware that the Met and its Commissioner are working very hard. The question is, what are they working on, apart from ‘plausible’ explanations for their most amazing cock-ups, deceits etc in recent history?

The Prime Minister ’supports’ their ‘efforts’, but this does not sound like a ringing endorsement of the man and his men to me.

By: Chuck Unsworth

Chuck Unsworth — Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:19:04 +0000

If Seldon’s article is wrong, where is it wrong?

Blair is well aware of the libel laws and could quite easily get a public retraction or mount a case. He’s chosen to stay silent.

The PMOS also feels that it’s acceptable to ‘order’ people not to communicate. Such actions always indicate a lack of confidence in one’s position and, in this case, that lack of confidence is entirely justified.

The PMOS says that ‘people’ (Some? How many?) had been asked to speak and had refused, that he (the PMOS) is unaware of any who had talked to Seldon. But the PMOS does not say that no-one has talked to Seldon.

Seldon is not going to be so stupid as to publish an article which is groundless. Even Gilligan made some effort to establish facts and sources.

As to ‘reported crime’ statistics, well we’ve been here before countless times. How accurate are they and do they genuinely reflect most people’s experience?

By: PapaLazzzaru

PapaLazzzaru — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:21:11 +0000

"and the Prime Minister fully supported the Met. and Sir Ian Blair in their efforts…"

…to keep the public cowed with fear in order to push through their racist and totalitarian "anti-terra" legislation.

By: PapaLazzzaru

PapaLazzzaru — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:19:51 +0000

"No one was complacent about the threat posed…"

…by our own Government…

By: PapaLazzzaru

PapaLazzzaru — Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:18:42 +0000

" The public were fully aware of how hard the Met. and its Commissioner were working…"

…to cover up his and their parts in the cover-up of the 7/7 bombings and the outrageously brutal murder of Jean Charles de Menezes…