Her GOOD intentions were deliberately mis-quoted and mis-used by lying politicians in Paris to build the case for war/revolution and her execution.

Sound familiar? Maybe vis-a-vis Iraq war and the death of Dr David Kelly?

A bit of plain speaking here would help - let’s not hide behind innuendo and hyperbole. The higher up the chain you go, the less honesty you can expect. We’re talking about politicians here; professional liars and manipulators, one and all. And if they aren’t actually liars, they’re just as guilty as the liars by dint of the fact they do nothing to stop them as long as their own nest is nicely feathered.

I can see what Auntyq is saying but I agree with Frederick up to a point - that it wasn’t JUST the Tories to blame. But I do also think that once someone gets to Cabinet level or higher, political ideology becomes pretty meaningless (they’re all just keeping the status quo for the next lot). Look at how Conservative "New Labour" has become on some issues. Therefore it doesn’t matter whether it was the Tories or Labour to blame; I think what Auntyq is saying is that it’s peoples general disillusionment with the whole political process and the fact that the politicians themselves refuse to accept real responsibility for their actions which is partly responsible for large chunks of our society effectively no longer caring for the society they live in. They feel as though they are nothing more than tax-fodder - and they’re absolutely right; they perceive that their opinion doesn’t matter except at election time - and again, they’re spot on; they see politicians sitting in their ivory towers making pronouncements all day long about how people should live (as long as they aren’t affected) and they think "bollocks to this" - and once again look at the examples set by the people at the supposed top of the ladder. With examples like those set by Bliar, Blunkett, Hughes, Short, etc etc, how can anyone expect anything less than antisocial behaviour from everyone in the country?

And one more thing while we’re talking about examples and taking responsibility for our actions; granted, antisocial behaviour pisses people off and inconveniences them - it rarely leads to the deaths of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands). And if our "government" cannot accept responsibility for their illegal actions in invading Iraq - they could, after all, make use of the putative "Special Relationship" with the US to insist on a proper full bodycount being compiled, why and how should they expect anyone else to behave any differently? I suspect the answer to that lies in the fact that the PM and his cabinet cronies are as far removed from everyday life as lived by everyday people as it is possible to be; Marie Antoinette summed it up perfectly when she said "let them eat cake"…

http://www.jk5.net/books.asp#PoliticalLying

"Respect" for those who have the gumption to get off their behinds and DO something as opposed to those who sit about whinging how hard-done-by they are, might be a good start.

we suggest you read:

The Rise of Political Lying

as an eye-opener into why the current administration is an illegitimate government.

Lying pollies are in parliament fraudulently. They have shown NO respect for any of us.

http://www.jk5.net/spages/Labourlies.asp

What are they proposing, that Respect be somehow imposed by legislation? Complete craziness. Just for openers, anyone care to put up a legal definition of Respect and how that is manifested?

As always, Respect is earned, it is not a legal requirement. And I have nothing but Contempt for such stupidity.