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	<title>Comments on: Sir Gus O&#8217;Donnell</title>
	<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665</link>
	<description>Every day the Prime Minister's Spokesman meets a small coterie of political journalists known as 'the lobby' for a topical chat, or 'briefing'.</description>
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		<title>By: Chuck Unsworth</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3127</link>
		<author>Chuck Unsworth</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3127</guid>
		<description>Actually the fascists are in power right now.  Take a measured look at the 'security' measures etc that have been recently imposed or proposed and you'll recognise great similarity with Mussolini's Italy etc.

Criticism is not (necessarily) cynicism, and, as noted, being 'liked' does not equate to efficiency or effectiveness at work.

On re-reading the comments so far I don't think anyone has actually accused Marek of anything - but perhaps I've missed something.

As to camping - well some are obviously more familiar than others with camp issues.

I doubt that many of today's senior civil servants would display the levels of personal courage and integrity of their illustrious predecessors.  This is one of the sad effects of the monstrous policisation of their posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the fascists are in power right now.  Take a measured look at the &#8217;security&#8217; measures etc that have been recently imposed or proposed and you&#8217;ll recognise great similarity with Mussolini&#8217;s Italy etc.</p>
<p>Criticism is not (necessarily) cynicism, and, as noted, being &#8216;liked&#8217; does not equate to efficiency or effectiveness at work.</p>
<p>On re-reading the comments so far I don&#8217;t think anyone has actually accused Marek of anything - but perhaps I&#8217;ve missed something.</p>
<p>As to camping - well some are obviously more familiar than others with camp issues.</p>
<p>I doubt that many of today&#8217;s senior civil servants would display the levels of personal courage and integrity of their illustrious predecessors.  This is one of the sad effects of the monstrous policisation of their posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Pooter</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3126</link>
		<author>Mr Pooter</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2005 05:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3126</guid>
		<description>It's been a long time since we had a permanent secretary who stood up to the PM - Douglas Wass? - if Gus O'Donnell has similar balls he will be more than worth his money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a long time since we had a permanent secretary who stood up to the PM - Douglas Wass? - if Gus O&#8217;Donnell has similar balls he will be more than worth his money.</p>
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		<title>By: Marek Ostrowski</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3125</link>
		<author>Marek Ostrowski</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3125</guid>
		<description>&#34;How did we guess that you were connected?&#34;

It's a bit stupid that I can be accused of bias just because I've worked with someone in the past. We're not best mates, I don't go golfing with him, I haven't married his daughter. I just think he's good at what he does.

A quick dose of perspective. Gus (or 'Gussy-wussy' as I always call him on our long camping holidays) is a Permanent Secretary in the civil service. This is not something that one becomes overnight as the result of Blair/Brown favouritism. Sure, he's well-liked in the Government, but that's because he does a good job. He was well-liked by the Tories, too (he was Major's press secretary).

Cynicism will eat itself, you know. Don't come crying to me when a fascist takes over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;How did we guess that you were connected?&quot;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit stupid that I can be accused of bias just because I&#8217;ve worked with someone in the past. We&#8217;re not best mates, I don&#8217;t go golfing with him, I haven&#8217;t married his daughter. I just think he&#8217;s good at what he does.</p>
<p>A quick dose of perspective. Gus (or &#8216;Gussy-wussy&#8217; as I always call him on our long camping holidays) is a Permanent Secretary in the civil service. This is not something that one becomes overnight as the result of Blair/Brown favouritism. Sure, he&#8217;s well-liked in the Government, but that&#8217;s because he does a good job. He was well-liked by the Tories, too (he was Major&#8217;s press secretary).</p>
<p>Cynicism will eat itself, you know. Don&#8217;t come crying to me when a fascist takes over.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3117</link>
		<author>Roger</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3117</guid>
		<description>I've worked with Gus O'Donnell in the past, and I have a lot of respect for him. He's much more active and down-to-earth than Andrew Turnbull. As for the salary, I think he'd come cheap at double the price.

How did we guess that you were connected? The appointment doesn't change a thing and especially so with the current government who appear to run a merry go round or should that be gravy train for a select few - or maybe they don't know anybody else? At least your friend is new but his appointment will not change a thing - sorry for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked with Gus O&#8217;Donnell in the past, and I have a lot of respect for him. He&#8217;s much more active and down-to-earth than Andrew Turnbull. As for the salary, I think he&#8217;d come cheap at double the price.</p>
<p>How did we guess that you were connected? The appointment doesn&#8217;t change a thing and especially so with the current government who appear to run a merry go round or should that be gravy train for a select few - or maybe they don&#8217;t know anybody else? At least your friend is new but his appointment will not change a thing - sorry for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3116</link>
		<author>Dave</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 13:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3116</guid>
		<description>He will be no more or less accountable than the MPs in this democratic dictatorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He will be no more or less accountable than the MPs in this democratic dictatorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Unsworth</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3114</link>
		<author>Chuck Unsworth</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3114</guid>
		<description>Excellent - it's good that someone has an idea as to what Gus might be doing.  Sadly, the PMOS quite obviously did not, and that was but one of the (several) points......  After all, if the PMOS cannot provide a job description for this  appointment, what are we paying for?
 
Whether the man is worth this salary (or double) remains to be seen - and I suppose that depends on what he does - but it's heartening to see that (one of) those acquainted with Gus is convinced of his eminent worthiness and suitability.  Note that if he were working in the commercial field his future and tenure of office might be just a touch less assured.  I don't see many civil servants being ejected by the executive board and/or shareholders.  And the benefits and value to us all of the Home Civil Service are regrettably a matter for conjecture.

Nice to see that someone is actually (if, partially) reading this stuff, nontheless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent - it&#8217;s good that someone has an idea as to what Gus might be doing.  Sadly, the PMOS quite obviously did not, and that was but one of the (several) points&#8230;&#8230;  After all, if the PMOS cannot provide a job description for this  appointment, what are we paying for?</p>
<p>Whether the man is worth this salary (or double) remains to be seen - and I suppose that depends on what he does - but it&#8217;s heartening to see that (one of) those acquainted with Gus is convinced of his eminent worthiness and suitability.  Note that if he were working in the commercial field his future and tenure of office might be just a touch less assured.  I don&#8217;t see many civil servants being ejected by the executive board and/or shareholders.  And the benefits and value to us all of the Home Civil Service are regrettably a matter for conjecture.</p>
<p>Nice to see that someone is actually (if, partially) reading this stuff, nontheless.</p>
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		<title>By: Marek Ostrowski</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3111</link>
		<author>Marek Ostrowski</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3111</guid>
		<description>The Cabinet Secretary's job includes (just a random list):
* attending Cabinet and Cabinet Committee meetings
* managing relationships with the Palace
* chairing the 'Wednesday morning' meetings of Departmental Permanent Secretaries
* leading the Civil Service - setting HR and development goals, and working on the future of the civil service
* mediating in disputes between Permanent Secretaries
* responsibility for the security and intelligence machinery within the Cabinet Office
* running the Cabinet Office (about 1,000 staff)
* Ethical and propriety issues in the work of the civil service, and relationships with special advisers.

I've worked with Gus O'Donnell in the past, and I have a lot of respect for him. He's much more active and down-to-earth than Andrew Turnbull. As for the salary, I think he'd come cheap at double the price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Cabinet Secretary&#8217;s job includes (just a random list):<br />
* attending Cabinet and Cabinet Committee meetings<br />
* managing relationships with the Palace<br />
* chairing the &#8216;Wednesday morning&#8217; meetings of Departmental Permanent Secretaries<br />
* leading the Civil Service - setting HR and development goals, and working on the future of the civil service<br />
* mediating in disputes between Permanent Secretaries<br />
* responsibility for the security and intelligence machinery within the Cabinet Office<br />
* running the Cabinet Office (about 1,000 staff)<br />
* Ethical and propriety issues in the work of the civil service, and relationships with special advisers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked with Gus O&#8217;Donnell in the past, and I have a lot of respect for him. He&#8217;s much more active and down-to-earth than Andrew Turnbull. As for the salary, I think he&#8217;d come cheap at double the price.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3110</link>
		<author>Roger</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 23:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3110</guid>
		<description>Well, Dr. Klaus Kleinfeld, the CEO of Siemens (also with about 500,000 staff), gets paid US$2.3m per year, plus share options. Rick Wagoner (General Motors, also about 500,000 staff) was paid $13m last year, with another $12m in unexercised stock options. \xA3250,000 max seems like rather a bargain, to be honest.


yes but these people you mention actually DO something don't they - and they are held responsible - now how do you rate the new man and his salary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Dr. Klaus Kleinfeld, the CEO of Siemens (also with about 500,000 staff), gets paid US$2.3m per year, plus share options. Rick Wagoner (General Motors, also about 500,000 staff) was paid $13m last year, with another $12m in unexercised stock options. \xA3250,000 max seems like rather a bargain, to be honest.</p>
<p>yes but these people you mention actually DO something don&#8217;t they - and they are held responsible - now how do you rate the new man and his salary?</p>
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		<title>By: Marek Ostrowski</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3109</link>
		<author>Marek Ostrowski</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 22:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3109</guid>
		<description>&#34;Even so, there's no indication as to what O'Donnell will actually be doing for his chunky remuneration. Sort of 'make the job up as you go along' stuff.&#34;

He is Secretary to the Cabinet and Head of the Home Civil Service (all 500,000 of them), so I don't suppose he'll be playing Minesweeper all day. What do company Chief Executives 'do'?

&#34;Can we really justify a quarter of a million salary on this?&#34;

Well, Dr. Klaus Kleinfeld, the CEO of Siemens (also with about 500,000 staff), gets paid US$2.3m per year, plus share options. Rick Wagoner (General Motors, also about 500,000 staff) was paid $13m last year, with another $12m in unexercised stock options. \xA3250,000 max seems like rather a bargain, to be honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Even so, there&#8217;s no indication as to what O&#8217;Donnell will actually be doing for his chunky remuneration. Sort of &#8216;make the job up as you go along&#8217; stuff.&quot;</p>
<p>He is Secretary to the Cabinet and Head of the Home Civil Service (all 500,000 of them), so I don&#8217;t suppose he&#8217;ll be playing Minesweeper all day. What do company Chief Executives &#8216;do&#8217;?</p>
<p>&quot;Can we really justify a quarter of a million salary on this?&quot;</p>
<p>Well, Dr. Klaus Kleinfeld, the CEO of Siemens (also with about 500,000 staff), gets paid US$2.3m per year, plus share options. Rick Wagoner (General Motors, also about 500,000 staff) was paid $13m last year, with another $12m in unexercised stock options. \xA3250,000 max seems like rather a bargain, to be honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Unsworth</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3108</link>
		<author>Chuck Unsworth</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 20:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/06/15/1665#comment-3108</guid>
		<description>Interesting!  And good to see the PM's personal effort to ensure fair play by installing himself as the sole interviewer.  No doubt the criteria and short list had been carefully fixed by Andrew before Tony had to 'select' the interviewees, thereby eliminating the tedious necessity of having to weed out those who might give trouble.

So the PMOS does not deny that Birt may have been involved, but does apparently deny that Brown was consulted prior to O'Donnell's appointment.  No 10 up to its usual tricks then.

Even so, there's no indication as to what O'Donnell will actually be doing for his chunky remuneration.  Sort of 'make the job up as you go along' stuff.

Can we really justify a quarter of a million salary on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting!  And good to see the PM&#8217;s personal effort to ensure fair play by installing himself as the sole interviewer.  No doubt the criteria and short list had been carefully fixed by Andrew before Tony had to &#8217;select&#8217; the interviewees, thereby eliminating the tedious necessity of having to weed out those who might give trouble.</p>
<p>So the PMOS does not deny that Birt may have been involved, but does apparently deny that Brown was consulted prior to O&#8217;Donnell&#8217;s appointment.  No 10 up to its usual tricks then.</p>
<p>Even so, there&#8217;s no indication as to what O&#8217;Donnell will actually be doing for his chunky remuneration.  Sort of &#8216;make the job up as you go along&#8217; stuff.</p>
<p>Can we really justify a quarter of a million salary on this?</p>
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