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	<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/03/17/1548</link>
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		<title>By: PapaLazzzaru</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/03/17/1548#comment-2899</link>
		<author>PapaLazzzaru</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sign of the times, Julian; we're living in a virtual world where perception and interpretation are more important than reality. Look at the US; at least here we KNOW the government is lying through its teeth. Over the pond, the media is so under the government thumb that they have no choice but to believe government lies; unless they go out of their way to look elsewhere they have no chance of an unbiased opinion. 

The fact is, our political system is as flawed as any other ever was. It is dependant upon effective opposition and when this does not exist there is nothing and no-one to hold the executive to account. When the time comes to write Tony B.Liars bio in Encyclopedia Britannica, as much as the writers might like to say he was a liar and hypocritical zealot who was responsible for the deaths of thousands in supposedly humanitarian military actions while piously hiding behind the facade of New Christianity (although as like as not he was room-mates with the Chief Editor at Cambridge or something similar), TBs lawyers might have something to say about that because, as you say, officially he is as white as the driven snow. And by and large people have short memories. So in 20 years time, when we have forgotten all about Blair and our kids want to know what he was like, they'll grab the Encyclo and read about what an angel he was and how his Christian beliefs helped him through the hellish decision making times when, with a heavy heart, he had to commit British troops to a war of agression. Sad but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sign of the times, Julian; we&#8217;re living in a virtual world where perception and interpretation are more important than reality. Look at the US; at least here we KNOW the government is lying through its teeth. Over the pond, the media is so under the government thumb that they have no choice but to believe government lies; unless they go out of their way to look elsewhere they have no chance of an unbiased opinion. </p>
<p>The fact is, our political system is as flawed as any other ever was. It is dependant upon effective opposition and when this does not exist there is nothing and no-one to hold the executive to account. When the time comes to write Tony B.Liars bio in Encyclopedia Britannica, as much as the writers might like to say he was a liar and hypocritical zealot who was responsible for the deaths of thousands in supposedly humanitarian military actions while piously hiding behind the facade of New Christianity (although as like as not he was room-mates with the Chief Editor at Cambridge or something similar), TBs lawyers might have something to say about that because, as you say, officially he is as white as the driven snow. And by and large people have short memories. So in 20 years time, when we have forgotten all about Blair and our kids want to know what he was like, they&#8217;ll grab the Encyclo and read about what an angel he was and how his Christian beliefs helped him through the hellish decision making times when, with a heavy heart, he had to commit British troops to a war of agression. Sad but true.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Todd</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/03/17/1548#comment-2894</link>
		<author>Julian Todd</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/03/17/1548#comment-2894</guid>
		<description>She said they had carried the lie through four inquiries (three of which were very flawed), and doubted it would manage a fifth.  By their nature, lies wither away under scrutiny, whilst the truth grows stronger.  

Refusal to countenance any further discussion is prima facie evidence they are sitting on a lie.  

But we've known this for years.  We knew the plan and the lie way back in 2002 as they bombed Afghanistan.  Why has it not mattered?  How can there be so much control of the narrative that the PM can still, officially, be considered not a liar?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She said they had carried the lie through four inquiries (three of which were very flawed), and doubted it would manage a fifth.  By their nature, lies wither away under scrutiny, whilst the truth grows stronger.  </p>
<p>Refusal to countenance any further discussion is prima facie evidence they are sitting on a lie.  </p>
<p>But we&#8217;ve known this for years.  We knew the plan and the lie way back in 2002 as they bombed Afghanistan.  Why has it not mattered?  How can there be so much control of the narrative that the PM can still, officially, be considered not a liar?</p>
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		<title>By: Sydney Bernard Smith</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/03/17/1548#comment-2878</link>
		<author>Sydney Bernard Smith</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/03/17/1548#comment-2878</guid>
		<description>This is the proper place for:
Liars

you lied in word, in deed, &#38; by omission:
you blamed Saddam for things that you had done
&#38; failed to do - the Shia insurrection, 
incited, left to founder - sorry son!  
with VX, sarin, stuff for nuclear fission -
you armed him, supplied anthrax by the ton,
you egged him on to fight Iran, then ditched him... 
&#38; now you cannot find the smoking gun?
too long past their use-by-date. oh? fine!
(don\x92t bother to say sorry: just resign.)

you lied about \x93eviction\x94 of inspectors 
whom the UN \x93withdrew\x94 - you  wanna bet?
phials, anti-poison-gas injectors,
antidotes to dangers to be met, 
&#38; posters: how to cope with radiation 
were hailed as \x93proof of clear &#38; present threat.\x94
duty-bound to free a captive nation?
ever think of rescuing Tibet?
oh. it\x92s unfair to hold you to that line...
don\x92t bother to say sorry: just resign. 

there\x92s some bad bastards, but it\x92s no use fretting -
ex-Soviets Belarus &#38; Kazakhstan. 
our hatred of dictators could not threaten 
Suharto, Burma, Saudi, Pakistan. 
adjust the odds, it makes for safer betting;
where standards are too high, let down the bar.
for Chile we strained the rules, left Pinochet in; 
Somoza, Marcos, Franco, Salazar, 
we backed; who claimed their right to rule divine,
&#38; never did say sorry, nor resign.

Afghanistan: \x93we\x92ll never walk away!\x94
you left them unexploded cluster bombs 
like food parcels - they go off every day! -
to add to 20 million Russian mines.
&#38; all the billions that you said you\x92d pay
keeps war lords ruling as in former times. 
the bulk of it is mis-spent, gone astray,
they don\x92t add up, the economic sums.
damage limitation? not this time.
don\x92t bother to say sorry: just resign. 

you lied about the poison factories;
lied about their nuclear capacity;
on links to Al Qaida came a freeze - 
Bush yes, Blair no (gulp gulp); it took audacity... 
45 minute standby - there\x92s a wheeze -
imminent threat! in coping with this facet we 
might have bypassed other forgeries - 
uranium from Niger? sheer mendacity!
you\x92ve been found out, you\x92ve overstayed your time,
so do what Denis Healy said: resign 

you lied. you said it wasn\x92t about oil.
you bellowed this until your face turned blue.
&#38; yet, available to any literate child:
what Goldstein said to Bush\x92s cronies whom, 
cringe-making, blatant, we will not imbroil
after the war the inverse will be true.
I quote the Wall Street Journal - your blood boil?
mine does. we all could read it! so could you. 
maybe you did; it chanced to slip your mind?
don\x92t even promise. do it now. resign.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the proper place for:<br />
Liars</p>
<p>you lied in word, in deed, &amp; by omission:<br />
you blamed Saddam for things that you had done<br />
&amp; failed to do - the Shia insurrection,<br />
incited, left to founder - sorry son!<br />
with VX, sarin, stuff for nuclear fission -<br />
you armed him, supplied anthrax by the ton,<br />
you egged him on to fight Iran, then ditched him&#8230;<br />
&amp; now you cannot find the smoking gun?<br />
too long past their use-by-date. oh? fine!<br />
(don\x92t bother to say sorry: just resign.)</p>
<p>you lied about \x93eviction\x94 of inspectors<br />
whom the UN \x93withdrew\x94 - you  wanna bet?<br />
phials, anti-poison-gas injectors,<br />
antidotes to dangers to be met,<br />
&amp; posters: how to cope with radiation<br />
were hailed as \x93proof of clear &amp; present threat.\x94<br />
duty-bound to free a captive nation?<br />
ever think of rescuing Tibet?<br />
oh. it\x92s unfair to hold you to that line&#8230;<br />
don\x92t bother to say sorry: just resign. </p>
<p>there\x92s some bad bastards, but it\x92s no use fretting -<br />
ex-Soviets Belarus &amp; Kazakhstan.<br />
our hatred of dictators could not threaten<br />
Suharto, Burma, Saudi, Pakistan.<br />
adjust the odds, it makes for safer betting;<br />
where standards are too high, let down the bar.<br />
for Chile we strained the rules, left Pinochet in;<br />
Somoza, Marcos, Franco, Salazar,<br />
we backed; who claimed their right to rule divine,<br />
&amp; never did say sorry, nor resign.</p>
<p>Afghanistan: \x93we\x92ll never walk away!\x94<br />
you left them unexploded cluster bombs<br />
like food parcels - they go off every day! -<br />
to add to 20 million Russian mines.<br />
&amp; all the billions that you said you\x92d pay<br />
keeps war lords ruling as in former times.<br />
the bulk of it is mis-spent, gone astray,<br />
they don\x92t add up, the economic sums.<br />
damage limitation? not this time.<br />
don\x92t bother to say sorry: just resign. </p>
<p>you lied about the poison factories;<br />
lied about their nuclear capacity;<br />
on links to Al Qaida came a freeze -<br />
Bush yes, Blair no (gulp gulp); it took audacity&#8230;<br />
45 minute standby - there\x92s a wheeze -<br />
imminent threat! in coping with this facet we<br />
might have bypassed other forgeries -<br />
uranium from Niger? sheer mendacity!<br />
you\x92ve been found out, you\x92ve overstayed your time,<br />
so do what Denis Healy said: resign </p>
<p>you lied. you said it wasn\x92t about oil.<br />
you bellowed this until your face turned blue.<br />
&amp; yet, available to any literate child:<br />
what Goldstein said to Bush\x92s cronies whom,<br />
cringe-making, blatant, we will not imbroil<br />
after the war the inverse will be true.<br />
I quote the Wall Street Journal - your blood boil?<br />
mine does. we all could read it! so could you.<br />
maybe you did; it chanced to slip your mind?<br />
don\x92t even promise. do it now. resign.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Unsworth</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/03/17/1548#comment-2873</link>
		<author>Chuck Unsworth</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2005 16:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2005/03/17/1548#comment-2873</guid>
		<description>So, we'll take that as an acceptance that he is a liar then.  After all, the standard response to such accusations would be vehement denials.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, we&#8217;ll take that as an acceptance that he is a liar then.  After all, the standard response to such accusations would be vehement denials.</p>
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