Comments on: Anti Terror Legislation

By: Mr Pooter

Mr Pooter — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:14:42 +0000

Raven Museveni - The conjunction amused me: the Prime Minister, planning to lock-up people (ie Muslim extremists) in their own homes without trial and and Cherie Booth’s client turns out to be "…backed by Hizb ut-Tahrir, an extremist Muslim group which is banned in Germany and the Middle East. Its aim is a world-wide Muslim state and it was banned in Egypt after fomenting an attempted coup in 1974." Times, today page 6.

One man’s terrorist….

By: Raven Museveni

Raven Museveni — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:44:24 +0000

How do Mr. Pooter’s comments have anything to do with the anti terror laws? I’m sure this group is extremely right wing however this comment completely ignores the substance of the issue. I personally am deeply concerned at the new laws being introduced by the government. To justify it by pointing to an extremist group highlights how Tony Blair et al. has managed to push this affront to democracy so far through the commons. I have another terroist group who is far more active and deadly. The IRA who have commited a murder and robbed a bank or perhaps Shin Beht who are still to this day rounding up innocent palestinans (and not innocent occaisonally) and putting them to torutre. But the fact that this law has been allowed to compromise our basic freedoms and was still passed scares me. People argue that a few basic freedoms are an acceptable scarifice, well we begin to sink and lose our very moral foundation ask yourself this: WHEN WILL IT END WHEN WILL WE STOP THIS INSULT TO DEMOCRACY!

By: Mr Pooter

Mr Pooter — Thu, 03 Mar 2005 13:52:43 +0000

I see, from Today\x92s Times, that it was the PM\x92s wife who won Shabina Begum\x92s case for her. Well done, Cherie!

The Times reports that Begum was backed by an extremist muslim group who, it appears from the web, have identical aims to al Qaeda and are banned all over the place as a terrorist group althought they claim they are merely a political group. A gentle stroll via Google looking for Hizb ut-Tahrir and Taqiuddin al-Nabhani - is rewarding, here\x92s a taster:-

http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/english/english.html

"Though the Party committed itself to be open, clear and challengingly in its da\x92wah, it restricted itself to political actions alone and did not exceed them by resorting to material actions against the rulers or against those who opposed its da\x92wah, following the example of the Messenger of Allah (saw) who restricted himself in Makkah solely to the da\x92wah and he (saw) did not carry out any material actions until he had migrated to Madinah. And when the people of the second pledge of \x91Aqabah proposed that he give them permission to fight the people of Mina with the sword, he answered them saying: "WE HAVE NOT BEEN ORDERED TO DO THAT YET.". And Allah (swt) asked him (saw) to be patient about the persecution as the Messengers of Allah before him had been, when Allah (swt) said to them\x85"

The caps replace their bolded emphasis. Subtle or what? Ordered by whom? Draw your own conclusions about this lot, several countries have - by banning them.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/hizb-ut-tahrir.htm