Comments on: ID Cards http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472 Every day the Prime Minister's Spokesman meets a small coterie of political journalists known as 'the lobby' for a topical chat, or 'briefing'. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:03:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: dave http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-2526 dave Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:49:11 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-2526 its disgusting to think that we will, and maybe our children will have the possibility of wearing a star to show their identity...does anyone feel like history is repeating itself? its disgusting to think that we will, and maybe our children will have the possibility of wearing a star to show their identity…does anyone feel like history is repeating itself?

]]> By: Andrew Rawlinson http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-1226 Andrew Rawlinson Mon, 12 Jul 2004 14:24:43 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-1226 When i first heard of the ID cards i throt it was a joke and was apuled by the idea, i was not going to cary one. But after thinking about the hole thing, i can see some uses, which will be good if the government take their time to see a way to impliment them in a cost efective way that will not be a burded. Clubs can have card readers installed, every one that enters must have their id card, it will tell them their age, and whether or not they have been banned for fighting, so people that fight on the friday and satuerday night for no reason and have been arested can be banned from town at set times, by using thease cards. If you go to the airport you can use a false passport, but not a false id card, you go to the bank enter your id card. The card could be used for mass policing that they can track any one, but must be used soley to track certain people with a warant form the court. there are good uses for the id card, they just need to be made clear and how they would work without intimidating people. the only people who need to be scared are the ones that have something to hide. When i first heard of the ID cards i throt it was a joke and was apuled by the idea, i was not going to cary one.
But after thinking about the hole thing, i can see some uses, which will be good if the government take their time to see a way to impliment them in a cost efective way that will not be a burded.
Clubs can have card readers installed, every one that enters must have their id card, it will tell them their age, and whether or not they have been banned for fighting, so people that fight on the friday and satuerday night for no reason and have been arested can be banned from town at set times, by using thease cards.
If you go to the airport you can use a false passport, but not a false id card, you go to the bank enter your id card.

The card could be used for mass policing that they can track any one, but must be used soley to track certain people with a warant form the court.

there are good uses for the id card, they just need to be made clear and how they would work without intimidating people. the only people who need to be scared are the ones that have something to hide.

]]> By: richard doherty http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-906 richard doherty Sun, 09 May 2004 20:12:47 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-906 if i dont carry mine ,will i be arrested and charged. if so, how can they charge me if they dont know who i am.if they do know who i am ,then why do i need a card in the first place. if i dont carry mine ,will i be arrested and charged. if so, how can they charge me if they dont know who i am.if they do know who i am ,then why do i need a card in the first place.

]]> By: Gregory Block http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-810 Gregory Block Tue, 27 Apr 2004 01:04:03 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-810 By the way: Given that the government is focused on the practicalities of implementation, it behooves them to consider the possibility that without considering those ramifications first, all their hard work will come to nothing when every civil liberties group on the planet starts funding lawyers to drag them through the EC court of human rights and saddle them with yet another damaging verdict against UK law in EC courts. If it isn't watertight, it's going to sink. It will do so because it's in the interests of a great many of us to ensure that it does so; one need only to have lived in the U.S. to discover just how 'useful' a social security number has been as a weapon against the populace to take away their privacy - the last thing we need is another one of those numbers. By the way: Given that the government is focused on the practicalities of implementation, it behooves them to consider the possibility that without considering those ramifications first, all their hard work will come to nothing when every civil liberties group on the planet starts funding lawyers to drag them through the EC court of human rights and saddle them with yet another damaging verdict against UK law in EC courts.

If it isn’t watertight, it’s going to sink. It will do so because it’s in the interests of a great many of us to ensure that it does so; one need only to have lived in the U.S. to discover just how ‘useful’ a social security number has been as a weapon against the populace to take away their privacy - the last thing we need is another one of those numbers.

]]> By: Gregory Block http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-809 Gregory Block Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:59:00 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-809 Most market-does-better-than-government folk will be of the opinion that a national ID system, run and managed by the private sector, would do better than the collective work-permits-and-passports-and-drivers-licenses-and-sundry-others cards run each within their own agencies, without any interconnection of those databases; that kind of centralisation of large scale public efforts into the private sector is right up the Tory garden path. Doesn't mean it's a good idea. Good luck building chinese walls on that database, I'm sure they'll work as well as they do in the banking sector. Most market-does-better-than-government folk will be of the opinion that a national ID system, run and managed by the private sector, would do better than the collective work-permits-and-passports-and-drivers-licenses-and-sundry-others cards run each within their own agencies, without any interconnection of those databases; that kind of centralisation of large scale public efforts into the private sector is right up the Tory garden path.

Doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. Good luck building chinese walls on that database, I’m sure they’ll work as well as they do in the banking sector.

]]> By: Tony http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-807 Tony Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:17:00 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-807 How exactly would ID cards stop terrorists ? People coming into the country as visitors, holidaymakers, etc wouldnt have to have one - or does the government assume all the terrorists currently live in the uk ? There are already too many ways they can 'check up' on people - mobile phone usage, credit card transactions, email and internet use etc..... maybe its just me, but the thought of more info being put into a database on my life is just a bit scary ! Once its on a computer somewhere its just a matter of time before someone gains access and can find out all about you or even alter records...... How exactly would ID cards stop terrorists ? People coming into the country as visitors, holidaymakers, etc wouldnt have to have one - or does the government assume all the terrorists currently live in the uk ?
There are already too many ways they can ‘check up’ on people - mobile phone usage, credit card transactions, email and internet use etc….. maybe its just me, but the thought of more info being put into a database on my life is just a bit scary ! Once its on a computer somewhere its just a matter of time before someone gains access and can find out all about you or even alter records……

]]> By: Uncarved Block http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-805 Uncarved Block Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:04:19 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-805 The only time I can remember having to prove my identity in the last few years was when I picked up a parcel from the post-office. Is David Blunkett claiming that he can foil all terrorists by denying them access to recorded delivery? I never realised that it was all so simple..... The only time I can remember having to prove my identity in the last few years was when I picked up a parcel from the post-office.

Is David Blunkett claiming that he can foil all terrorists by denying them access to recorded delivery? I never realised that it was all so simple…..

]]> By: Chris Lightfoot http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-801 Chris Lightfoot Mon, 26 Apr 2004 20:20:46 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/04/26/472#comment-801 Tragically, it now turns out that the Tories are in favour of ID cards too. So even if the scheme is a humungous, \xA330 billion cock-up -- as is likely, since every large government IT project for the past decade or more has run hideously over budget -- we still might end up with this useless white elephant.. Tragically, it now turns out that the Tories are in favour of ID cards too. So even if the scheme is a humungous, \xA330 billion cock-up — as is likely, since every large government IT project for the past decade or more has run hideously over budget — we still might end up with this useless white elephant..

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