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	<title>Comments on: Steve Moxon</title>
	<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341</link>
	<description>Every day the Prime Minister's Spokesman meets a small coterie of political journalists known as 'the lobby' for a topical chat, or 'briefing'.</description>
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		<title>By: PapaLazzzaru</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341#comment-429</link>
		<author>PapaLazzzaru</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it's me, Dave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it&#8217;s me, Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: PapaLazzzaru</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341#comment-420</link>
		<author>PapaLazzzaru</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341#comment-420</guid>
		<description>Yup; although it's getting away from the point a bit it seems this government has effectively rewritten the rulebook on ministerial conduct - although like the Hutton Report it hasn't actually been &#34;rewritten&#34;, they're just interpreting it differently... But it's true; no-one has EVER done anything wrong. In Tony Blairs eyes, he has NEVER yet made a wrong decision; oh he'll readily acknowledge that he's had to make plenty of TOUGH decisions, but never yet once that I recall has he, in hindsight, admitted he could have done something differently when it comes to a major issue; he will never concede that he COULD be wrong. He says he will always LISTEN to a contrary viewpoint, but God forbid that he should ever stop to consider that that contrary viewpoint could be right and his own could be wrong. Even when it has seemed obvious that a compromise would benefit all parties including the government in PR terms, they arrogantly and uncompromisingly stick to their guns to the detriment of all. Tuition fees &#38; GM crops spring to mind here. Although many of us have a less than flattering opinion of the House of Lords most of the time, it seems that lately they have been a small voice of reason on a number of issues lately; yet another reason why I can't understand Tony's prevarication in pushing ahead with reforms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup; although it&#8217;s getting away from the point a bit it seems this government has effectively rewritten the rulebook on ministerial conduct - although like the Hutton Report it hasn&#8217;t actually been &quot;rewritten&quot;, they&#8217;re just interpreting it differently&#8230; But it&#8217;s true; no-one has EVER done anything wrong. In Tony Blairs eyes, he has NEVER yet made a wrong decision; oh he&#8217;ll readily acknowledge that he&#8217;s had to make plenty of TOUGH decisions, but never yet once that I recall has he, in hindsight, admitted he could have done something differently when it comes to a major issue; he will never concede that he COULD be wrong. He says he will always LISTEN to a contrary viewpoint, but God forbid that he should ever stop to consider that that contrary viewpoint could be right and his own could be wrong. Even when it has seemed obvious that a compromise would benefit all parties including the government in PR terms, they arrogantly and uncompromisingly stick to their guns to the detriment of all. Tuition fees &amp; GM crops spring to mind here. Although many of us have a less than flattering opinion of the House of Lords most of the time, it seems that lately they have been a small voice of reason on a number of issues lately; yet another reason why I can&#8217;t understand Tony&#8217;s prevarication in pushing ahead with reforms.</p>
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		<title>By: Hipster</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341#comment-417</link>
		<author>Hipster</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341#comment-417</guid>
		<description>Moxon stinks but, like it or not, this government has let us all down. In 1997 they were brave young men now they have degenerated and nobody can believe anything they say. There is NO ministerial responsibility and we are contually being fed lies from thos in authority. Nobody ever makes mistakes and nobdoy ever gets fired. The rules are changed by Blair, who did some great stuff early in 97, at HIS will - and this cannot be right for the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moxon stinks but, like it or not, this government has let us all down. In 1997 they were brave young men now they have degenerated and nobody can believe anything they say. There is NO ministerial responsibility and we are contually being fed lies from thos in authority. Nobody ever makes mistakes and nobdoy ever gets fired. The rules are changed by Blair, who did some great stuff early in 97, at HIS will - and this cannot be right for the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Richards</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341#comment-392</link>
		<author>Max Richards</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2004 17:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341#comment-392</guid>
		<description>Try reading the quotes above with George Bush's voice in your mind: same rhetoric: bit suprised that the word 'insurgent' wasn't in there though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try reading the quotes above with George Bush&#8217;s voice in your mind: same rhetoric: bit suprised that the word &#8216;insurgent&#8217; wasn&#8217;t in there though!</p>
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		<title>By: niall</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341#comment-378</link>
		<author>niall</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2004 14:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341#comment-378</guid>
		<description>There is no longer a doctrine of ministerial responsibility. The politics textbooks need rewritten.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no longer a doctrine of ministerial responsibility. The politics textbooks need rewritten.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncarved Block</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341#comment-374</link>
		<author>Uncarved Block</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341#comment-374</guid>
		<description>While it now appears that Steve Moxon may have had a political motive for &#38;#8216;whistleblowing&#38;#8217;, I think that this is just a diversion from the main point i.e. public servants feel so under pressure to meet targets that they have to cut corners. This pressure comes from two possible sources, or a combination of the two. 

It could be the case that politicians are setting stiffer targets to make it look like they are taking action in the knowledge that, even though they are unrealistic, they can just blame &#38;#8216;bureaucratic civil servants&#38;#8217; when they are not met. In the case of the political hot potato, immigration, this is a strong possibility.

A second source of this pressure is that the public sector now seems to be judged by how efficient it is rather than how effective. There seems to be more arguments about how to make the public sector cost less than there are about how to deliver the services effectively. The Gershon and Lyons reports are prime examples of trying to cut cost rather than trying to improve delivery. As a result it may be that immigration staff numbers have been cut so much that managers are forced into cutting corners to get the job done.

Either way this case looks as though its being set up for another sacrifice to take the blame, the immigration service&#38;#8217;s David Kelly, so that politicians do not have to answer for the problems they are creating. It is also clear that the finger has to be pointed at politicians, rather than any party or individual, because all three main parties seem to be vying with each other to see who can destroy public services the quickest.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it now appears that Steve Moxon may have had a political motive for &amp;#8216;whistleblowing&amp;#8217;, I think that this is just a diversion from the main point i.e. public servants feel so under pressure to meet targets that they have to cut corners. This pressure comes from two possible sources, or a combination of the two. </p>
<p>It could be the case that politicians are setting stiffer targets to make it look like they are taking action in the knowledge that, even though they are unrealistic, they can just blame &amp;#8216;bureaucratic civil servants&amp;#8217; when they are not met. In the case of the political hot potato, immigration, this is a strong possibility.</p>
<p>A second source of this pressure is that the public sector now seems to be judged by how efficient it is rather than how effective. There seems to be more arguments about how to make the public sector cost less than there are about how to deliver the services effectively. The Gershon and Lyons reports are prime examples of trying to cut cost rather than trying to improve delivery. As a result it may be that immigration staff numbers have been cut so much that managers are forced into cutting corners to get the job done.</p>
<p>Either way this case looks as though its being set up for another sacrifice to take the blame, the immigration service&amp;#8217;s David Kelly, so that politicians do not have to answer for the problems they are creating. It is also clear that the finger has to be pointed at politicians, rather than any party or individual, because all three main parties seem to be vying with each other to see who can destroy public services the quickest.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lightfoot</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341#comment-372</link>
		<author>Chris Lightfoot</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2004 10:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/10/341#comment-372</guid>
		<description>The emails are discussed in this article in the Mirror:
&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.mirror.co.uk/printable_version.cfm?method=printable_version_mirror&#38;objectid=14038078&#38;siteid=50143&#34;&#62;http://www.mirror.co.uk/printable_version.cfm?method=printable_version_mirror&#38;objectid=14038078&#38;siteid=50143&#60;/a&#62;

Two quotes from the emails:

&#34;Islam is inextricably tied up with the main thrust of global terrorism through the Wahhabi sect. Fundamentalist Muslims of this sect are in Britain and we don't know how many of the 1-2million illegal immigrants are also of this 'faith'.&#34;

and

&#34;An international alliance of Islamic Year Zeros feverishly exporting death to 'infidel' and non-fundamentalist Muslim alike, by Kamikazes literally in their millions, eventually will have to be silenced by nuclear weapons.&#34;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The emails are discussed in this article in the Mirror:<br />
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mirror.co.uk/printable_version.cfm?method=printable_version_mirror&amp;objectid=14038078&amp;siteid=50143&quot;&gt;http://www.mirror.co.uk/printable_version.cfm?method=printable_version_mirror&amp;objectid=14038078&amp;siteid=50143&lt;/a&gt;</p>
<p>Two quotes from the emails:</p>
<p>&quot;Islam is inextricably tied up with the main thrust of global terrorism through the Wahhabi sect. Fundamentalist Muslims of this sect are in Britain and we don&#8217;t know how many of the 1-2million illegal immigrants are also of this &#8216;faith&#8217;.&quot;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&quot;An international alliance of Islamic Year Zeros feverishly exporting death to &#8216;infidel&#8217; and non-fundamentalist Muslim alike, by Kamikazes literally in their millions, eventually will have to be silenced by nuclear weapons.&quot;</p>
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