Comments on: Police stats http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284 Every day the Prime Minister's Spokesman meets a small coterie of political journalists known as 'the lobby' for a topical chat, or 'briefing'. Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:59:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2 By: Gregory Lightyear http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-196 Gregory Lightyear Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:23:03 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-196 Coming from that police state on the other side of the ocean, I can assure you of this: More police, in the short term, will have the benefit of making you feel safer. More police, in the long term, will make you feel like there's an awful lot of emphasis on having a lot of bodies in blue uniforms looking officious. Tackle crime through other means - adding to police numbers isn't going to single-handedly return us to those heady days of yesteryear when the bobbies walked the beat hand in hand with locals and the world was bright and fluffy. Tackle the social problems through other mechanisms, instead of using police numbers as a magical wand to wave away people's irrational fear of crime. Coming from that police state on the other side of the ocean, I can assure you of this: More police, in the short term, will have the benefit of making you feel safer. More police, in the long term, will make you feel like there’s an awful lot of emphasis on having a lot of bodies in blue uniforms looking officious.

Tackle crime through other means - adding to police numbers isn’t going to single-handedly return us to those heady days of yesteryear when the bobbies walked the beat hand in hand with locals and the world was bright and fluffy. Tackle the social problems through other mechanisms, instead of using police numbers as a magical wand to wave away people’s irrational fear of crime.

]]> By: William Daniels http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-190 William Daniels Tue, 02 Mar 2004 21:51:54 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-190 I would like to know where all these extra police have disapeared to, they are certainly not in my area. In fact you can walk or drive about all day without seeing a single one, something that you could never do in my youth. I don't however blame the individuals I just think the whole system has become over bureaucrat'ic to politically correct and headed up by senior officers who have no concept of the real problem, or any idea whatsoever as to how to reduce crime and that comment holds for most magistrates and judges. The whole system needs a radical rethink with a strong character from the ranks put in charge. I would like to know where all these extra police have disapeared to, they are certainly not in my area.
In fact you can walk or drive about all day without seeing a single one, something that you could never do in my youth.
I don’t however blame the individuals I just think the whole system has become over bureaucrat’ic to politically correct and headed up by senior officers who have no concept of the real problem, or any idea whatsoever as to how to reduce crime and that comment holds for most magistrates and judges.
The whole system needs a radical rethink with a strong character from the ranks put in charge.

]]> By: Jim Avery http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-189 Jim Avery Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:43:52 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-189 I worked out that if there are 138,000 police and the population of the UK is (let's say) 60 million, that equates to roughly one police for every 435 persons. If each of those police were tasked with getting to know those 435 people, then I would have thought their job would be relatively easy (not that I'd want to do it, Respect! and all that). I worked out that if there are 138,000 police and the population of the UK is (let’s say) 60 million, that equates to roughly one police for every 435 persons. If each of those police were tasked with getting to know those 435 people, then I would have thought their job would be relatively easy (not that I’d want to do it, Respect! and all that).

]]> By: Peter Keating http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-185 Peter Keating Tue, 02 Mar 2004 18:40:54 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-185 If Londoner's want NY style policing,or any other part of the UK, we are going to have to double Police numbers in the citys to begin with, if not more and put up with stop and search at any time of the day and night, and stopping of more cars, as this is an excellent way of catching offenders who normally prefer driving to walking. Having worn a Police helment for a number of years, its about time they changed them, they are heavy, hot and usless, and serve no 'bloody' purpose except for tourists wanting a picture, while they are at it, dump the wool uniform for something a bit more washable.. If Londoner’s want NY style policing,or any other part of the UK, we are going to have to double Police numbers in the citys to begin with, if not more and put up with stop and search at any time of the day and night, and stopping of more cars, as this is an excellent way of catching offenders who normally prefer driving to walking. Having worn a Police helment for a number of years, its about time they changed them, they are heavy, hot and usless, and serve no ‘bloody’ purpose except for tourists wanting a picture, while they are at it, dump the wool uniform for something a bit more washable..

]]> By: Chris Lightfoot http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-181 Chris Lightfoot Tue, 02 Mar 2004 17:57:41 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-181 Well, the fear of crime, and actual crime in a few categories, most seriously murder, are rising even as aggregate crime falls. Police recruitment might be expected to address the public's fear of crime. Well, the fear of crime, and actual crime in a few categories, most seriously murder, are rising even as aggregate crime falls. Police recruitment might be expected to address the public’s fear of crime.

]]> By: dave heasman http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-180 dave heasman Tue, 02 Mar 2004 17:56:06 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-180 If crime is falling, why are more police being hired? Also, in periods of low unemployment the calibre of people applying to be police will be lower than at other times, and these lower-quality people will remain in place for 20+ years. There was a problem with useless police hired in the early 70s, and intermittently ever afterwards. If crime is falling, why are more police being hired? Also, in periods of low unemployment the calibre of people applying to be police will be lower than at other times, and these lower-quality people will remain in place for 20+ years. There was a problem with useless police hired in the early 70s, and intermittently ever afterwards.

]]> By: Roger Huffadine http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-177 Roger Huffadine Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:24:41 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-177 I'm glad we have more police. BUT - the question is not how many have we got but how many do we need so that - for example - When someone rings up to report a burglary a uniformed officer is available to deal with the situation? Immediately = ? within 1 hour =? same day =? ever = ? I’m glad we have more police.

BUT - the question is not how many have we got but how many do we need so that - for example -

When someone rings up to report a burglary a uniformed officer is available to deal with the situation?

Immediately = ?
within 1 hour =?
same day =?
ever = ?

]]> By: Zippy http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-174 Zippy Tue, 02 Mar 2004 16:00:47 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-174 I am glad that the changes are only to the shape of policeMEN's helmets, as anatomically, police women do not have them. Will the EOC be addressing this with adjustments to non male issue body parts..... (Sorry, it is just that I get over flippant on Tuesday afternoons!) I am glad that the changes are only to the shape of policeMEN’s helmets, as anatomically, police women do not have them. Will the EOC be addressing this with adjustments to non male issue body parts….. (Sorry, it is just that I get over flippant on Tuesday afternoons!)

]]> By: Lodjer http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-173 Lodjer Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:40:28 +0000 http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/02/284#comment-173 Apparently, the government has had great success on undetected crime as well, with a 34% drop. Apparently, the government has had great success on undetected crime as well, with a 34% drop.

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