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	<title>Comments on: Butler Inquiry</title>
	<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282</link>
	<description>Every day the Prime Minister's Spokesman meets a small coterie of political journalists known as 'the lobby' for a topical chat, or 'briefing'.</description>
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		<title>By: Egon Ronald</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-235</link>
		<author>Egon Ronald</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2004 22:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Butler Inquiry:     www.butlerreview.org.uk

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Not The Butler Inquiry: www.butlerreview.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Butler Inquiry:     <a href="http://www.butlerreview.org.uk" rel="nofollow">www.butlerreview.org.uk</a></p>
<p>vs</p>
<p>Not The Butler Inquiry: <a href="http://www.butlerreview.org" rel="nofollow">www.butlerreview.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-199</link>
		<author>Mike</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2004 00:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-199</guid>
		<description>Not only must justice be done, but justice must be seen to be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only must justice be done, but justice must be seen to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: BiZ R</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-170</link>
		<author>BiZ R</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-170</guid>
		<description>&#34;Did anyone ask for the original electronic copies of the e-mails to see who was on the bcc (blind carbon copy) list?&#34;

Isnt this rather pre-supposing some discernable level of technical competence??

ISTR Hutton sending out on numerous occasions for extra ink for his quill and some more blotting paper........

Besides, asking such a question might mean that some evidence might actually come out. And that could be most unseemly. If there was some evidence, it might even go as far as to point a finger of suspicion at either an elected or non-elected official! Far better to let the BBC and Gilligan be the scapegoat.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Did anyone ask for the original electronic copies of the e-mails to see who was on the bcc (blind carbon copy) list?&quot;</p>
<p>Isnt this rather pre-supposing some discernable level of technical competence??</p>
<p>ISTR Hutton sending out on numerous occasions for extra ink for his quill and some more blotting paper&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Besides, asking such a question might mean that some evidence might actually come out. And that could be most unseemly. If there was some evidence, it might even go as far as to point a finger of suspicion at either an elected or non-elected official! Far better to let the BBC and Gilligan be the scapegoat.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Huffadine</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-168</link>
		<author>Roger Huffadine</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-168</guid>
		<description>I imagine that the Butler Report is going to be like the Hutton Report - a complete Whitewash so why would responsible politicians participate and waste valuable time?

Have any people commited to prison by Hutton appealed their sentence yet - on the grounds of Hutton's flawed logic?

OK I'm a nerd - I read the Hutton Report and all of the appended material.

If our intelligence services are as slap-dash as the people 'black-lining' e-mail addresses in the appended material then God help us. Two poor people (hunt for them yourself) must have really upset someone because their e-mail addresses were not 'black-lined'. Interestingly revealing the destination for most of the other 'black lined' e-mail addresses.

......and a 'just for fun' question:-
Did anyone ask for the original electronic copies of the e-mails to see who was on the bcc (blind carbon copy) list?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine that the Butler Report is going to be like the Hutton Report - a complete Whitewash so why would responsible politicians participate and waste valuable time?</p>
<p>Have any people commited to prison by Hutton appealed their sentence yet - on the grounds of Hutton&#8217;s flawed logic?</p>
<p>OK I&#8217;m a nerd - I read the Hutton Report and all of the appended material.</p>
<p>If our intelligence services are as slap-dash as the people &#8216;black-lining&#8217; e-mail addresses in the appended material then God help us. Two poor people (hunt for them yourself) must have really upset someone because their e-mail addresses were not &#8216;black-lined&#8217;. Interestingly revealing the destination for most of the other &#8216;black lined&#8217; e-mail addresses.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;and a &#8216;just for fun&#8217; question:-<br />
Did anyone ask for the original electronic copies of the e-mails to see who was on the bcc (blind carbon copy) list?</p>
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		<title>By: PapaLazzzaru</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-165</link>
		<author>PapaLazzzaru</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-165</guid>
		<description>One can only imagine they went to the same dodgy law school as the Attorney General...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One can only imagine they went to the same dodgy law school as the Attorney General&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zippy</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-164</link>
		<author>Zippy</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-164</guid>
		<description>The ICC has always been at Lords, and I'm lost as to why a minor, though improving, cricket nation such as the Dutch would have anything valuable to add to the debate... Nuances of the LBW rule may be within their cricketing remit, but commenting on legality of war is well outside their realm of expertise. Did these ill-advised lawyers buy their law degrees from an american internet university???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ICC has always been at Lords, and I&#8217;m lost as to why a minor, though improving, cricket nation such as the Dutch would have anything valuable to add to the debate&#8230; Nuances of the LBW rule may be within their cricketing remit, but commenting on legality of war is well outside their realm of expertise. Did these ill-advised lawyers buy their law degrees from an american internet university???</p>
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		<title>By: PapaLazzzaru</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-163</link>
		<author>PapaLazzzaru</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2004 14:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-163</guid>
		<description>While it is only very loosely connected (although if you look at it in terms of duplicity it's one and the same thing), I saw an item on the news a few minutes ago about a group of lawyers taking the government to the ICC in the Hague for war crimes. Imagine what would happen if the ICC ruled that the war was illegal... What WOULD Tony have to say then?!?! I can't wait for this one to unfold!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is only very loosely connected (although if you look at it in terms of duplicity it&#8217;s one and the same thing), I saw an item on the news a few minutes ago about a group of lawyers taking the government to the ICC in the Hague for war crimes. Imagine what would happen if the ICC ruled that the war was illegal&#8230; What WOULD Tony have to say then?!?! I can&#8217;t wait for this one to unfold!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Dikkie</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-161</link>
		<author>Dikkie</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-161</guid>
		<description>A wonderful site this is, but its a pitty I cannot say the same for our esteemed benevolent pres-dict-{oops}-Prime Minister.
Well I guess lies are what you expect from government but I never thought that they would go so far as to say &#34;The labour party&#34;, as opposed to &#34;the evil money grabbing spin doctor saying if your not rich then die party&#34; with the main policys taken from a book by George Orwell, the title was a date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A wonderful site this is, but its a pitty I cannot say the same for our esteemed benevolent pres-dict-{oops}-Prime Minister.<br />
Well I guess lies are what you expect from government but I never thought that they would go so far as to say &quot;The labour party&quot;, as opposed to &quot;the evil money grabbing spin doctor saying if your not rich then die party&quot; with the main policys taken from a book by George Orwell, the title was a date.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaz</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-160</link>
		<author>Gaz</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-160</guid>
		<description>Whether or not the war was legal / the WMD report so altered / the inquiries leave out important issues.... no one trust's tony blair and his government. Its time to get rid of them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not the war was legal / the WMD report so altered / the inquiries leave out important issues&#8230;. no one trust&#8217;s tony blair and his government. Its time to get rid of them all.</p>
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		<title>By: British Spin</title>
		<link>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-158</link>
		<author>British Spin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2004 13:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://downingstreetsays.com/briefings/2004/03/01/282#comment-158</guid>
		<description>A wonderful site- i wonder if the authors have considered also posting the gallery news service summary of the Lobby briefing which is e-mailed out to subsribers each day (for free). 

This is a &#34;neutral&#34; summary of the lobby briefing from the Lobby PoV. For example for Monday's AM briefing they said:


No immediate action against Clare hort's 'cocking a snook' at Cabinet Secretary Sir Andrew Turnbull is pending, the Prime Minister's official spokesman made clear today.

Sir Andrew had set put the position in his letter to Ms Short - warning her that as a former Cabinet minister she was still bound by the Ministerial Code - and that was the Government's position, said the PMOS.

&#34; I have nothing further to add to that. The Prime Minister was obviously aware of the letter and approved of it.&#34;

&#34; If and when we do have a view then no doubt we will tell you about it. The situation is as it is at the moment.

Asked if any further consideration of Ms Short's status as a Privy Councillor had taken place, the spokesman said it had not.

Questioned further, he said he was not sure who had the power to take away Privy Council status.

It was put to the PMOS that if nothing could be done about Clare Short's actions and she was able to 'cock a snook' at Sir Andrew, then the authority of the Cabinet Secretary was 'a total and utter joke'.

The PMOS replied, &#34; Sir Andrew's letter sums up the position and that is as far as it goes at the moment.

&#34; Sir Andrew wrote that letter because that is part of his duty as Cabinet Secretary to inform ministers of the Ministerial Code and remind ministers of the Ministerial Code.&#34;

What mattered, he said, was what was happening on the ground in Iraq where the foundation stones of democracy, were being put in place. &#34; We are not going to allow the pace to be set by other people.&#34;

Questioned whether current bank profits might result in the Chancellor introducing a 'windfall tax', the spokesman said, &#34; That is a question with DTI and Treasury written all over it.&#34;

Asked about the reports that the Prime Minister had slept on a park bench in London as a teenager, the PMOS, said the Downing Street press office had been laying bets on who would ask the question.

&#34; We have nothing to add except to confirm that he did sleep one night on a park bench. Which park bench, I don't know; whether it can be 
preserved for posterity, I don't know; what meal he ate on the park bench, I don't know; what the menu was on the park bench, I don't know.&#34;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A wonderful site- i wonder if the authors have considered also posting the gallery news service summary of the Lobby briefing which is e-mailed out to subsribers each day (for free). </p>
<p>This is a &quot;neutral&quot; summary of the lobby briefing from the Lobby PoV. For example for Monday&#8217;s AM briefing they said:</p>
<p>No immediate action against Clare hort&#8217;s &#8216;cocking a snook&#8217; at Cabinet Secretary Sir Andrew Turnbull is pending, the Prime Minister&#8217;s official spokesman made clear today.</p>
<p>Sir Andrew had set put the position in his letter to Ms Short - warning her that as a former Cabinet minister she was still bound by the Ministerial Code - and that was the Government&#8217;s position, said the PMOS.</p>
<p>&quot; I have nothing further to add to that. The Prime Minister was obviously aware of the letter and approved of it.&quot;</p>
<p>&quot; If and when we do have a view then no doubt we will tell you about it. The situation is as it is at the moment.</p>
<p>Asked if any further consideration of Ms Short&#8217;s status as a Privy Councillor had taken place, the spokesman said it had not.</p>
<p>Questioned further, he said he was not sure who had the power to take away Privy Council status.</p>
<p>It was put to the PMOS that if nothing could be done about Clare Short&#8217;s actions and she was able to &#8216;cock a snook&#8217; at Sir Andrew, then the authority of the Cabinet Secretary was &#8216;a total and utter joke&#8217;.</p>
<p>The PMOS replied, &quot; Sir Andrew&#8217;s letter sums up the position and that is as far as it goes at the moment.</p>
<p>&quot; Sir Andrew wrote that letter because that is part of his duty as Cabinet Secretary to inform ministers of the Ministerial Code and remind ministers of the Ministerial Code.&quot;</p>
<p>What mattered, he said, was what was happening on the ground in Iraq where the foundation stones of democracy, were being put in place. &quot; We are not going to allow the pace to be set by other people.&quot;</p>
<p>Questioned whether current bank profits might result in the Chancellor introducing a &#8216;windfall tax&#8217;, the spokesman said, &quot; That is a question with DTI and Treasury written all over it.&quot;</p>
<p>Asked about the reports that the Prime Minister had slept on a park bench in London as a teenager, the PMOS, said the Downing Street press office had been laying bets on who would ask the question.</p>
<p>&quot; We have nothing to add except to confirm that he did sleep one night on a park bench. Which park bench, I don&#8217;t know; whether it can be<br />
preserved for posterity, I don&#8217;t know; what meal he ate on the park bench, I don&#8217;t know; what the menu was on the park bench, I don&#8217;t know.&quot;</p>
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